I'm 51, and a stay-at-home mom with a law degree. I've been a school and community volunteer in the 11 years we've lived here in Oakton. I'm the mom whose house is full of packs of children many days out of the week. The fact that I'm lesbian has absolutely no impact on my parenting, other than to perhaps make my children more thoughtful and aware of bigotry and discrimination. This law does not help children, especially in that it reduces the potential pool of adoptive parents. It merely codifies discrimination, and is just another example of the Republican obsession with our private lives.

Oh, the hypocrisy. Restricting or banning abortions will likely increase the number of children available for adoption. Why does it make sense to restrict the number of adults who can adopt the children?

Another example of religion trying to get into bed with the government, This country would be better off heading in a secular direction like Western Europe, but no we are stuck with a "guns, God and gays" mentality in this country.

What a hateful, foolish country we're becoming. Sad for everyone, but especially for children who need a home.

With 6 million children being raised by gay parents in America, gay-led families are not something new and crazy. They are everywhere and they are doing fine

So what happens when a Christian adoption agency won't allow a Jewish couple to adopt or vice versa? This has actually happened in another state so it can happen in VA.

You reap what you sow--and Virginia reenters the Dark Ages.

I keep reading where McDonald is strongly being considered as a running mate for "little woodie" Romney. I am sure that this measure is an attempt to pander to the Right and hence solidify his standing as a staunch conservative.

I've stayed away from posting my beliefs on this issue long enough. I am a non conformist to any political party. So anyone ready to throw right or left wing jabs at me as soon as they read my post, can stick those jabs where the sun never ever shines. So here's my THREE cents: Although many may THINK, that there are more 'parentless' children than there are qualified and willing to adopt parents out there, it's still a false statistic. There are so many willing, qualified, and waiting parents out there right now, that it is astounding! So lets put that one to rest. Now here's where I'll get abused for sure: I do not believe it is right to expose a child to GLBT parenting until that child knows and understands what GLBT means. Especially since the would be GLBT parents were probably all well into the 16 and above age range when they ever even considered living their lives as a 'publically out' individual, let alone an 'out' parent. Furthermore, GLBT people all are well aware of the abuse that many of them have had to suffer at the hands and MOUTHS of those who openly express there hurtful comments and treatment of GLBT people. AND THERE IS NO WAY, that there will ever be a law that stops kids, teenagers& even adults for that matter, from SAYING what they want to whenever they want to. It's called freedom of speech, and it works both ways, good and bad. There will always be isolated instances where some imbecile goes too far, and that's unlawful bullying. Isolated though.

Joseph....eeh, what's your point? We are talking about children being loved and given a good home. Simple. BTW, I was exposed to "straight parents" since I was an infant and I was able to handle it okay!

Seems like this has become the site for the " I hate religion " nuts. The same far left loons that support Obama: student stooges, Beavis and Butthead clones, Barney Frank buffoons, Jerry Sandusky/ NMBLA types, and union goons. Change your primitive behavior and get a clue.

The most important issues here, are the children that dont have a place to call home or people that love them.They have no right to deny these children the chance for a better life. "They" talk about "religious freedom," but what about those who believe differently then themselves? Hypocrites! Who are they thinking about by, banning gay couples from adopting? Certainly not the children, who are being denied warm, loving homes, with people who ACTUALLY want them. Its disgusting how "they" scream pro-life, but once the babies are born, turn their backs, not giving a poop what happens to them after that, they are the first in line to take away government funded programs that help these children survive, I think its an outrage that children are waiting to be placed in loving homes with the prospect of a decent future, and these POS politicians have the right to destroy the future for thousands of homeless children, because of their personal religious beliefs.(theocrats). That in itself tells exactly who it is that they are looking out for, it certainly isnt for the future of so many unwanted, unloved children, who will be stuck in "the system" and will never become productive, contributing citizens. This party screams "less government" the only "less government" they want is, that branch that puts regulations on financial institutions/big business. One would think history would be a credible teacher, they want to screw us once again.

the only ones who are going to suffer are the children needing a good home. ignorance has no limits in this state it seems.

I find it so wierd that straight people think exposing children to gay people as parents would harm them--MOST gay people CAME FROM STRAIGHT PARENTS YOU IDIOTS! Its not a cult where people are brain washed! Straight kids are gonna be straight and gay kids are gonna be gay--IT DOESNT MATTER WHO THE PARENTS ARE YOU RETARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont understand the concept?? We will let the straight folks keep there kids and abuse and cut thier throats and kill them. But we won't let a loving couple of the same sex raise and love kids without the abuse. Read the headlines here lately a rash of parents killing thier kids and they are the straight ones! People just need to grow up.

Wow, folks -- let's take it down a couple notches! There's no reason to name call -- I believe everyone should have a voice, even if I don't agree with it. I'm not anti-religion in any sense, but I don't think that state money should be used to fund religious institutions who will then discriminate against specific populations. It's a simple matter of equality. If any group doesn't want to treat everyone equally, then don't take state money.

The ultra-conservative Republicans and the religious are trashing the Constitutional rights of all American citizens. By the Constitution, religious beliefs and morals cannot be legislated into law. How long are people going sit by while these "religious" people destroy what was once the "land of liberty". Now, to enjoy liberty, you have to be White Anglo Saxon Christian Heterosexual Male, and if you are, you can do whatever the hell you please and get away with it. These Republican new Hitlers and Ayatollahs must be stopped. America sacrificed young American lives to overthrow theocracies, only to have a fanatical theocracy emerge in our own country. They must be be stopped at all costs. It is time for a new American Revolution.

The founders gave full freedom of religion, speech and assembly all interconnected, so no religious or religious affiliated organization can or should violate their religious precepts ever for the culture, period. The culture must not dictate the cannon of the church.

I agree with a lot of the statements made here. If you are anti-abortion, then you rule that a large group of responsible people cannot adopt them, what happens to these kids? This country used to be about religious freedom and the rights of the individuals. Now, there is a large group who have decided that if you don't believe the same way as they do, they will pass & enforce laws that will deny you the rights given to us by our Constitution. It is long past time to wake up & take back our country from the extemists who are "buying" our country right out from underneath us.

"Solely on a moral basis?" I don't know about that. I'm all for profiling homosexuals attempting to adopt children. Whether you like it or not, there is a pronounced correlation between homosexuals and child abuse. It's the secret still in the closet. The gay political agenda is to insist that the "alternative lifestyle" is not a choice. None of these so-called leaders of their community have had the courage to come forward and admit that they were abused as children by other males which realistically contributed. That's not to say that every person that way was not corrupted, so to speak. Perhaps some are born that way and others were influenced by predatory adults. Until we're honest about the problem of child abuse, it will continue.

Now the adoption process is geared towards placing a child in a home, not providing adults with children. The children have rights and the foster care and adoption systems are rife with sexual exploitation. I am in no way suggesting that all or even most child abusers are inclined to be gay, or that most gay people are inclined to be child abusers.

What it comes down to is profiling as a crime prevention tool and whether or not it is ever justified or if it is justified in child placement. I say that it is. Most Muslims and Arabs are not terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim and/or Arab. That's not "racist" it's the truth. It's the same thing with the Catholic Church, gays, and boys, whether or not it's PC to face.

Well, we are looking at two groups. One of which may or may not be religious, that feel that placing a child in the care of someone who is homosexual or who are homosexuals, would not be to the benefit of that child's best interest. Why not, well because some people believe that homosexuality is a sin and to have a child exposed to that sin could or most probably would give rise to that child thinking that, that sin was okay. We have seen children raised in environments that give rise to that thinking. It's hard enough raising children under the best of circumstances, and to make it even harder is only ignoring the precepts by which the Bible tells us to live by. Those willing to compromise on morality and push our already endangered society further down the cesspool we are trying to avoid. Now, the other group feels that it doesn't matter what a child, with a sponge for a mind, is exposed to, as long as that child is in a loving home. But, the idea of love to the homosexuals mind is already malformed. By what code of ethics are we going to teach our children, one which says that law are good and standing or by one that says that a law is as good as the people wish for it to be.

Bottom line---separation of Church and State..one of the founding issues of our country...gay, no gay, whatever. WE are going to hell in a hand basket skipping along the way....America stand up as ONE!!

We already see the results of the failure to maintain morals, mostly because someone comes along and says its not a fare law because it doesn't accommodate, my way of thinking, or my way of life. Doesn't anyone notice how little by little we have changed the sanctity of marriage to being a sanctity of whatever gets your grove on. From the divorce if you want to, to the "its just sex" thinking, the crime of broken homes and too often fatherless homes, and the permissive view of it's ok for two people of the opposite sex to get married. It's progressive thinking, they say. Yes, it causing our society to progress down the drain. Those of the progressive lifestyle, say they are being discriminated against. Not, so. They have the right of having the rights that would naturally be theirs as due to their perspective sex. Men, for men and women for women, which really is the same rights, as that of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But, a homosexual life style is not happiness. It is a bad acceptance of the false, counterfeit of the true love that God has for and offers for each of us. Children need to see pure love so that they can recognize the difference

My partner & I adopted 2 children, 1 in 1998 & another in 1999. Since my partner's income was higher, he was the front man adopting as a single male. I wrote to 100 agencies seeking who would allow single males to adopt. Only 3 agencies allowed it, all offering unwanted children with lots of costly medical ailments. We moved ahead, my partner adopted the children & later I joined them in a joint adoption. Now, thousand$ & year$ later we are a very happy family. The kids are great, healthy, doing honors in high & middle school and extremely well adjusted with lots of friends at school & community. So whomever sanctimoniously says out of religiously-prejudiced opinions that gay parents are "bad" for children is either a liar or a cretin.

I worked with a gal who was raised by 2 lesbian mothers. It created a lot of anger in her, alot of wishing she had a regular father like other girls, and on and on.

If you talk to a gay man who will be honest with you, in private, he often will tell you he did not have a relationship with his dad - he dad may or may not have been around, but that longing for the love of a father (w/no sex attached), is like a hole in their heart as thy grow up -- an emptiness they cannot fill. Hence they are attracted to guys --- really it is simply in their heart of hearts a young boy longing for a strong daddy who loves him. It is the same for girls. Do you ever wonder why lesbians often dress like males, act like males, carry a mantle of anger around them - I truly believe young girls get just as stuck as boys when there is a father wound. It makes a lot of sense.

There are so many who have left homosexuality. The church doesn't know how to help them because they are like the general public - ignorant about the roots of its development and how to help them as straight men and women in the church.

We all need the emotional support of those who love God..... instead of so much anger on this post, just say prayers tonight and talk to God about it. He provides for all of us.

Again -- bunk, horsefeathers, bull hockey, etc. A "gal"? Really? There are far more people who obsess about other's private lives. Why does that happen? My only point in all of this is allocation of state money. Publicly funded money should not go to organizations of any stripe/religion/viewpoint who discriminate. If you want to discriminate, don't take state money. What does your bigotry have to do with my taxes?

I feel so sorry for those who do nothing but call people that don't agree with them. They lower there posting to just pure hate and people have less respect for you and your posts. Gay or stright anyone who calles people all kinds of names does not have a child to raise. I do hope all people who are responsible, and have the means to bring up a child get to do it, but those of you who act like sholl childen calling names you are defeating the purpose. STOP the name calling and state your mind, but I have noticed those who lean left usually use the name calling game. GROW UP

Keep calling people names and you'll turn off more than you turn to your case

They do the same thing with anyone else... Single mothers, single dads that want a child to adopt, they have to go through the same battle. It's not about orientation, it's how you'll be to provide for the child, well being of the child. Same religion is perferred, Black's, Puerrto Rican's, doesn't matter what race, have to take the same channel's. They have get in depth background checks, what kind of work they do and what shift, also referrals from people, psychiatric evaluation, if the child has an illness, will the adult know what to do and have long term patience? Credit rating, check for any debt. Does the adult have an illness? My mom retired from CT. Department Of Family Services last year, and she saw gays and lesbians get approved and adopting children. She told me the whole process and then some. So like I said, same process for everyone. I'm a 36 year old responsible gay guy, I'm quite positive I'd get approved. People say I'm daddy material (LOL), have friends and family with kids, love kids, but unfortunately I don't want any. So to other gay people who think it's because of their (our) orientation, quite playing the poor me activist syndrome and making news of it, it's very irritating. The more you write in your news, that's time wasted on doing more research, and your making yourself look like a troublemaker, and they do not want that! Well, I'm sure I'll get a few negatives on this, but that just my opinion. ~Patrick

Hears a thought
If you want children.
1 Man marry a women.
2. Women marry a man this has worked in the past and is still going.
I could be wrong.

If I'm the one putting my child up for adoption and I don't believe in a GLBT lifestyle I as the birth mother should have the right to CHOOSE, right? Or am I only allowed to CHOOSE to have an abortion????? How long do you suppose the GLBT community would survive without other people's children? And are the majority of you pro choice?? I can't make sense of something that just doens't make sense.

The statement that your sexual preference can't be chosen is not true. There have been where homosexuals were asked if they were born homosexual and in these studies, many said that either they had been raped or brought in to homosexuality by an older person. It wasn't until recently that the thought was suggested that they were born that way, much like the thought that alcoholism is a disease. Two large studies asked homosexual respondents to explain the origins of their desires and behaviors - how they "got that way." The first of these studies was conducted by Kinsey in the 1940s and involved 1700 homosexuals. The second, in 1970, (4) involved 979 homosexuals. Both were conducted prior to the period when the "gay rights" movement started to politicize the issue of homosexual origins. Both reported essentially the same findings:

All this talk of religion infiltrating a serious matter such as child adoption, confirms my agnosticism!

Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and behavior were the result of social or environmental influences.In a 1983 study conducted by the Family Research Institute (5) (FRI) involving a random sample of 147 homosexuals, 35% said their sexual desires were hereditary. Interestingly, almost 80% of the 3,400 heterosexuals in the same study said that their preferences and behavior were learned (see Table 1 below). homosexuality (1940s and 1970)

early homosexual experience(s) with adults and/or peers - 22%
homosexual friends/ around homosexuals a lot - 16%
poor relationship with mother - 15%
unusual development (was a sissy, artistic, couldn't get along with own sex, tom-boy, et cetera) - 15%
poor relationship with father - 14%
heterosexual partners unavailable - 12%
social ineptitude - 9%
born that way - 9%I was around heterosexuals a lot - 39%
society teaches heterosexuality and I responded - 34%
born that way - 22%
my parents, marriage was so good I wanted to have what they had - 21%
I tried it and liked it - 12%
childhood heterosexual experiences with peers it was the ''in thing" in my crowd - 9%
I was seduced by a heterosexual adult -

Likewise, a study of over 400 London teenagers reported that "for the boys, their first homosexual experience was very likely with someone older: half the boys' first partner were 20 or older; for girls it was 43 percent." (13) A quarter of homosexuals have admitted to sex with children and under aged teens, (6,5,8) suggesting the homosexuality is introduced to youngsters the same way other behaviors are learned - by experience.

Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns of behavior

In the 1980s, scholars (12) examined the early Kinsey data to determine whether or not childhood sexual experiences predicted adult behavior. The results were significant: Homosexual experience in the early year, particularly if it was one's first sexual experience - was a strong predictor of adult homosexual behavior, both for males and females. A similar pattern appeared in the 1970 Kinsey Institute (4) study: there was a strong relationship between those whose first experience was homosexual and those who practiced homosexuality in later life. In the FRI study (5) two-thirds of the boys whose first experience was homosexual engaged in homosexual behavior as adults; 95% of those whose first experience was heterosexual were likewise heterosexual in their adult behavior. A similarly progressive pattern of sexual behavior was reported for females.

Kinsey reported "less homosexual activity among devout groups whether they be Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish, and more homosexual activity among religiously less active groups." (2) The 1983 FRI study found those raised in irreligious homes to be over 4 times more likely to become homosexual than those from devout homes. These studies suggest that when people believe strongly that homosexual behavior is immoral, they are significantly less apt to be involved in such activity.

Recently, because of the AIDS epidemic, it has been discovered that, relative to white males, twice as many black males are homosexual (14) and 4 times as many are bisexual. Perhaps it is related to the fact that 62% of black versus 17% of white children are being raised in fatherless homes. But even the worst racist wouldn't suggest that it is due to genetic predisposition.

Were homosexual impulses truly inherited, we should be unable to find differences in homosexual practice due to religious upbringing or racial sub-culture.

5%While these results aren't conclusive, they tell something about the very recent tendency to believe that homosexual behavior is inherited or biologic. From the 1930s (when Kinsey started collecting data) to the early 1970s, before a "politically correct" answer emerged, only about 10% of homosexuals claimed they were "born that way." Heterosexuals apparently continue to believe that their behavior is primarily a result of social conditioning.There is evidence that homosexuality, like drug use is "handed down" from older individuals. The first homosexual encounter is usually initiated by an older person. In separate studies 60%, (6) 64%, (3) and 61% (10) of the respondents claimed that their first partner was someone older who initiated the sexual experience.

How this happens is suggested by a nationwide random study from Britain: (17) 35% of boys and 9% of girl said they were approached for sex by adult homosexuals. Whether for attention, curiosity, or by force, 2% of the boys and 1% of the girls succumbed. In the US, (1) 37% of males and 9% of females reported having been approached for homosexual sex (65% of those doing the inviting were older).

In a large random sample (5) 88% of women currently claiming lesbian attraction and 73% of men claiming to currently enjoy homosexual sex, said that they had been sexually aroused by the opposite sex,

85% of these "lesbians" and 54% of these "homosexuals" reported sexual relations with someone of the opposite sex in adulthood,
67% of lesbians and 54% of homosexuals reported current sexual attraction to the opposite sex, and
82% of lesbians and 66% of homosexuals reported having been in love with a member of the opposite sex.

Homosexuals experiment. They feel some normal impulses. Most have been sexually aroused by, had sexual relations with, and even fallen in love with someone of the opposite sex.

Nationwide random samples (11) of 904 men were asked about their sex lives since age 21, and more specifically, in the last year. As the figure reveals, 1.3% reported sex with men in the past year and 5.2% at some time in adulthood. Less than 1% of men had only had sex with men during their lives. And 6 of every 7 who had had sex with men, also reported sex with women.

It's a much different story with inherited characteristics. Race and gender are not optional lifestyles. They remain immutable. The switching and experimentation demonstrated in these two studies identifies homosexuality as a preference, not an inevitability.

There are many ex-homosexuals

Many engage in one or two homosexual experiences and never do it again–a pattern reported for a third of the males with homosexual experience in one study. (1) And then there are ex-homosexuals - those who have continued in homosexual liaisons for a number of years and then chose to change not only their habits, but also the object of their desire. Sometimes this alteration occurs as the result of psychotherapy; (10) in others it is prompted by a religious or spiritual conversion. (18) Similar to the kinds of "cures" achieved by drug addicts and alcoholics, these treatments do not always remove homosexual desire or temptation. Whatever the mechanism, in a 1984 study (5) almost 2% of heterosexuals reported that at one time they considered themselves to be homosexual. It is clear that a substantial number of people are reconsidering their sexual preferences at any given time.
What causes homosexual desire?

The one comment about agnosticism is one reason that many feel that adoptions need to be carefully chosen. A belief in God is proven to be the best deterrent to crime and to the best aid in helping a society to maintain stability, without the use of force or coercion. Look at how the rise of slayings have skyrocketed in line with the lack of God being taught in schools. The lack of selfworth and the worth of others around youth is affected negatively when God is left out in our society.

Carol Lewis: That is exactly why we need to maintain the Bible as the bases for what we decide and accept. If it is written than we can make sure what others state is true or not especially when it comes to he said they said. The Bible says that homosexuality is a sin. So it shouldn't be an acceptable part of someones sexual behavior. It should be shunned by that tempted individual. But instead the circular world is pushing that it should be acceptable because it is what someone feel like doing and experiencing. A serial killer would have a field day with a society based on because I feel like doing it, it should be ok.

Gerald-posting studies from Family Research Institute won't get you anywhere. They have a stated, biased agenda and, surprise, can come up with the bogus "statistics" to support their stupid religious beliefs.

No REAL science has ever found any negative outcomes for children of gay parents. In fact, they've OVERWHELMINGLY found the opposite.

As to your continued nonsense about the "nature vs. nurture" theories behind homosexuality, turns out it doesn't matter. From the APA website:

"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation"

The last part is key--whether it's nature or nurture, it is not presented as a "choice" to homosexuals any more than you "chose" to be heterosexual. So unless you want someone basing your ability to have a child on your "choice" to be heterosexual, your argument is irrelevant.

Oh and to your religous points, it is totally irrelevant to this argument that you think homosexuality is a sin. There is a separation of church and state, which you seem to misunderstand, that is designed to keep such considerations out of our law-making process.

Even so, just for fun, let's assume the government should give a $&!# what Leviticus says. You know what else Leviticus says? You can't wear garments made of 2 different kinds of threads; it condones slavery; it forbids the touching of pig flesh; it forbids growing 2 different crops next to each other; forbids working on the sabbath (punnishable by death no less). What happened to these other "abominations"? Years of secular reasoning and rational thought have rightly discarded them into the trashpile of history where, frankly the rest of the Bible ought to go.

Bottom line--I don't care if you are religious. I don't care if you believe in Jesus or even God. It should have no bearing on this argument. You sit in your house, read your nonsese fairy tale and lament the "downfall of society"--that's your right. But you don't get to impose your evidence-free beliefs on those who don't share them.

Jimmy, if I may interject something. Much of the part of the Bible has other parts that lend explanation for the reasoning behind the parts you mentioned. For example the parts about not planting is due to the fact that pollination of plants work better with other plants. Or the kind of nutrients that one or the other plants releases in order to help or hinder the other plant. It was to help us realize all things have a part to help or hinder growth. As for the fact two men in a matrimonial relationship is not beneficial for either on. They were not meant to be marital partners. Pushing those boundaries or expanding those parameters leads to the detriment of both and society. And the raising of children in an environment where sin is flaunted openly leads those children to accept that sin and ultimately makes it harder to give up sins that they have accepted as being permissible. Exodus 20: 5 and 6 reads: You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments. The children learn and accept the sins of the parents or guardians, and the parents are responsible if those children are lost because of accepting those sins as good and if you reject what God has denied, than you reject God resulting in being lost for eternity.

neptngy: There is such a thing as emotional and psychological damage. And it is hard to know when it will emerge. But at the same time the lost of eternal life comes at the end of time and it is dependent upon the lifetime of decisions made during our lifetime. and making one bad decision makes it easier to make another one later. Some day it need to be altered or our life will be.

Stacey Lynn: Ideally all children come from strait parents. Whether they are good parents will be for God to judge. The thing is when to people of the same sex decide that they are going to start a family, they are already showing that they are mentally deficient because, a family is the union of a mother and a father and then their children. Not two parents of the same sex. If one refuses to accept that fact of nature than they are showing signs of rejection what is logical. And that trend will continue untill the coming of Christ unless the submit to His wisdom and accept it as law.

Jimmy: As stated before there are reasons for what God gave, that with study one will find that Gods way is the best way. For example, the not touching of pigs. For years people eating pig flesh got sick and died. It wasn't until science was able to see tiny taenia solium worms. Avoiding these parasites allowed Gods people to not fall prey to as other nations of their day. And this was unnatural for their time. God knew this and gave His people the advice to keep them healthy. Many people didn't heed Gods word and got sick and died needlessly. And many started to believe that there must be a higher intelligence behind the author of the Bible because it gave this and other health advice when many disagreed to it. So now Gods word says tha homosexuality is a sin. He says it for the benefit of His creation. We ignore His warnings to our own peril

Jimmy: It's easy to check and see if the data has been manipulated. We aren't talking about the evolution of animals, or the obscure findings of some backwood laboratory. Real live subjects were interviewed and they gave their thinking. And if just one only one was found to be relevant than it still means that homosexuality is a learned sexuality. And doesn't mean men and women need dread in facing it alone. God is there to aid, save and recreate. That's His goal, making us anew and taking us home to be with Him. I'm talking to all those who have not fallen for this world lie that we have to be satisfied with being less than we can be. We don't have to believe the lie you are what you are. Be it, a wife or child beater, a homosexual. a thief or a murderer, God can save. He can cure and He does not hesitate in providing it. All He needs is your permission to come in and give the peace that passes all understanding. Don't listen to the nay sayers of this page. There is a God, look at the millions that have changed lives due to going to the fountain filled with blood, drawn from Emanuel's veins. We are His creation and the flock of His pasture. He loves us. Lets call on Him together. email me at geraldrtmcdge@aol.com

Kim: I do understand what you are saying. And I firmly believe in the act that caused the exodus from England and other countries fleeing not only people that sought to punish those that believed differently than what they believed and had long been taught during the times of the exodus. But they also were willing to put those fleeing to death. The thing is I believed that God had a part in providing the shelter that these United States have provided to people then, and hopefully now. You see, I believe in God. I believe that He lives and makes intersession for us and looks forward to taking us home to be with Him. I believe this not just because there are words in a book saying this, for you see, I don't believe in the easter bunny, or the boogie man. Nor do I believe in the magical, larger than life Santa Claus. But, I do believe that this world has a Creator,. I'll come back later. It's Sabbath and I need to do something. God bless you and your candor and the peaceful way you express it..

I have no doubt but that there was the sin of homosexuality back in Biblical days. The Bible says that there is nothing new under the sun. Here's the thing about the Bible. God allow all to be told about those written in the Bible. It tells of the bad and the good. It tells of those that fell from grace and how they turned back and lived. It mentions the ones that fell and shows how they appear never to go back to God. The Bible does not sugar coat, the sins of Gods people. God knows that we aren't perfect and He shows how even when that imperfection gets the best of the individuals in His creation, He can bring the good out of the bad. He says all we need to do is go back to Him. But as for David and Jonathan, the Bible does say that They loved one another. There is nothing wrong for a man to love another. There is a type of love for a man with another man, for the love of a child for there parents, for a married man to love another woman. But the true love for each of these is within the aspects of God ideal for that type of love. When we try to bring the type of sexual relation God has reserved for a married man for that man's female partner and incorporate that sexual relation into another of the relations than it is not love anymore it becomes infatuation and this is a counterfeit love satan tries to replace with Gods true love.

David: Now, if you read all of the history of David and Jonathan you will find that Jonathan recognized that Jonathan's father, King Saul, became jealous of David, because after King Saul fell from grace in God's sight and he found out God was planning to give King Saul kingdom to another, he saw it was going to be David. This is the reason for his jealousy. As for the exchanging of clothes, Jonathan was trying to help David escape Saul's clutches. Don't tell me that just because someone mentions love that it must mean a sexual encounter or just because they exchanged clothing it must be a sexual encounter. So it is a stretch in the imagination to make this a homosexual relation. It portrays two very good friends.

David: Please do not mistake the errors of Gods people as being Gods errors. There are things that He permitted because of the lack of wisdom or maturity on their parts. The Bible says that in the days to their ignorance, God winked at it. But when light was revealed to His people, He expected them to embrace that light and walk by it. The Bible never did say that slavery was good. Show me that it says it and I will give you one hundred dollars. It allowed it because as the Bible say for everything there is a season. A time to build and a time to destroy. For God, nothing is more important than our salvation. Some things are permitted because there is something more important to deal with, or because we are not ready to deal with it. The Bible never did say that the world is flat. Bible clearly teaches that it is round. Isaiah 40:22 says, "It is He who sitteth upon the circle of the earth." Job 38:14 says, "It [the earth] is turned like clay to the seal." That is a reference to the small cylinders used in ancient times to put one's seal on a clay document. Those cylinders had sticks through the center, like a rolling pin, and while the clay was still soft, they would be rolled across it, leaving the impression of the seal. The Bible tells us the earth rotates on its axis like a cylinder making a seal."
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When the Bible talks about four corners God is talking about the four directions. North, South, East, West.

And, how could God get the evenings and mornings of the 24 hour period, or the seasons with the months and years right, by believing that the world was flat. It was expression used by those translating the Bible. The Bible spoke out those that tried to sacrifice their children as those of other nations. The only time God permitted the taking of a life was due to sins being flaunted in the open and then only if the perpetrators failed to confess those sins and act as if their sins were ok to do. Much like those that would make adultery and homosexuality the accepted norm. Or those that make lite of their marital vows and divorce due to simple things. Now where is the proof that you have discovered that this world is actually more than lets say 10,000 years old. In what science book have you found some scientist fool enough to put their name behind this theory of the age of the earth. Oh you say carbon dating. your right they do date things with it, but garbage in garbage out. If you suppose, or guestamate calibrations are you assured of exact amounts, or an average. In any case. How old was Adam, when he was born? Was he a million years old when He was sculpted by the Master Artisan? No, Christian believe that this world was created in six days with the finishing touch of the Sabbath on the Seventh Day. How could we know or accept this you ask? Well we do not place a limit on Gods power or abilities. When we say God is all powerful, we don't just mean it figuratively.

We believe that He is all powerful. And we believe that He spoke and it was, He commanded and it stood fast. He did this with everything, except man and woman. Everything else the Bible says God spoke and it was, but God became more personal with Adam, God got His hands dirty with clay and then God got even more personal, God breathed into Adam the breath of life and the Bible says that man became a living soul. But I digress, the bible says that the evening and the morning was the first day. The evening and the morning was the second day, the evening and the morning was the third day, and so on and so on. No where in history does it show that the the rotation of the earth has slowed down to permit the idea of one day being a million years, even if evolution were right. Now, as for the carbon dating of the earth, we have a God with the power to do as He pleases. He didn't have to start with a spec of semen and an egg. He made a full grown Adam. He was fully functional as an adult, And when Eve came along, Adam showed just how functional God had made Adam. Adam said that Eve was bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh. Another reason that homosexuality is not Gods desire for the type of relation between two men. But again I digress. So if Adam was full grown down to the microscopic pieces of full grown, " man can God make um or what?" So when God made this world, He needed to make it to sustain life. He made it mature. Ready to be used. And God planned ahead.

Why are we all complaining over such paltry things when ABOMINATION lies all about us? YES, I mean a BLATANT SIN that is ALL AROUND US. And worse, just about EVERYONE is committing this henious SIN that will cause the collapse of Western Civilization. The SIN is the WANTON COMMINGLING OF FABRICS!!! Deuteronomy 22:11 & Leviticus 19:19 clearly state the Lord hates the mixing of fabrics! "Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together", saith the Lord (Deuteronomy 22:11). "...neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee." (Leviticus 19:19). Look all around you! People wearing cotton underwear, wool pants, polyester socks, rayon shirts, silk neckties. . . SINNERS ALL!!! We must 1st ban this UNGODLY MIXING of fibers so detested by the Lord. After we have appropriately punished these sinners (stoning, throwing into a pit), then we may deal with other issues. But 1st, we must erradicate these godless fabric miscegenators from our midst!

He knew of our needs. The energy we would need. The air, the water, All of what we see God planned for it, for us. He knew, not suspected, He knew of our need of oil, yes it's dirty, but it's necessary to get us to the end of time, where God will become the Great Janitor and cry out, It's cleaning time. Well I guess He first He would cry out It's closing time. At which time Christ will come through the clouds to awake the dead sleeping in the dust, where upon, unlike Adam in God's hands earlier be shapen by God's own hands, the Bible says that Christ will call out, and the dead in Christ will rise first. ( The ones that went to sleep trusting and believing in Gods word. Living a life according to the light God had provided, either through the spoken word or through the written word. as in our time. The dead will rise from their sleep.) And then Paul says that those who are alive at the time of Christ's return will be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, and we shall be like Him.) I know friend, it sounds so fairy tale like. It sounds so impossible. But remember. If you could have been around when this world was made, created or whatever. If you could have gone through the schematics, and gloss over the complexities of what it would take to make it so. If you could have calculated the enormity of the amount of power required to not only, fasten each molecule together but also to keep it from pulling apart due to who knows what forces, you probably would say imp-

possible. But, I'm here to tell you we serve a God, that excels with the impossible, He finds the impossibility of man as being already done. That's the God that I serve, no I'm mistaken, the God I serve is way more than I could ever describe. He is everything to the Nth degree. And do you know what is His specialty, Come on take a guess. ok I'll tell you. It's love. Love is His specialty. The Bible says that God is love. No, not our love, even that love in it's purest form wouldn't be the love God is. And He wants to give us the opportunity to be loved by Him for all eternity. His love is an action kind of love. It's not complete until it's shared, performed, given till there's no more left and then give some more. Lavished until we can't stand it, but we couldn't stop receiving it. Friend, God is calling, please answer, please respond.
Go to you tube and listen to the song sung by Larnell Harris, " He loved me with the Cross." Yea, I know this time is a little corny, but you've come this far, listen to the song. And email me back and tell me what you think, geraldrtmcdge@aol.com

I just went to fine that song with Larnell Harris. I couldn't find it. There are other singing it and they do it justice. so please listen to it and then listen to "Were it not for Grace" by Larnell. I will be praying for you, who soever may be reading, ignoring, or even making lite of what I've posted. God loves us. All of us. He doesn't care what we've done, or what we haven't done. He doesn't care where we are. He's concerned where we are gong to be. He was us to be with Him. email me at geraldrtmcdge@aol.com

David on again you are referring to parts of the Bible you haven't researched. The Bible was made to let people know about the Messiahs coming. A lot of these passage are given to symbolize that coming and our relation to Him. After Christ came the ceremonial laws were effectively fulfilled and no longer needed. The actual subject to which they referred had materialized and that part of the prophecy was fulfilled. And it's is interesting that you used the reference in Leviticus 19:19 and not pay attention to the rest of the chapter. It mentions not to kill. Not to completely take food from the farmland so that the poor could come and gather it for free. It talks about treating animals kindly. The offering that spoken of was to be burned on the third day, probably due to the high risk of food poisoning. No stealing, lying, the business should pay it's workers, not to make fun of the deaf or place obstacles in the path of the blind. Not to hate nor to wish ill on people, how to plant fruit trees and leave its fruit for 3 or 4 years probably to make the ground fertile. Not to use our children as prostitutes. You see there is much in this chapter, yea in this book that lends it be accepted and adhere to, in place of of saying that it is an antiquated book of rubbish. The Bible is Gods word and He gave it to us to let us know that He loves us and to let us know what is the best way to live. If you have questions about any more Bible, feel free to email me @ geraldrtmcdge@aol.com

David: You must be a cloth fanatic. Is this the only thing preventing you from accepting the Bible as Gods word. If it is let me try to help. Back then, and I'm only surmising, but maybe God was trying to make sure that they didn't use cloth for dressing that would catch fire easily. I'm not sure, I know that it wasn't to make a fashion statement. Look at the rest of the Bible. Most of it makes sense. The prophecies are made, and we can see that many have been fulfilled. But we know that our God was concerned for His creation, and wanted us to treat each other with love. He would stand no abuse for human or animal. So for some reason He gave instructions on fabric use. I will tell you that I found no warnings of penalty of death for the disregard or abuse of any fabric inappropriateness.

David: The Bible hides nothing. But the failings of the people including and especially the ones of the leaders are dealt with by God. Many did not get it right such as David with Bathsheba, but God sent His prophet to deal with David. David tried to hide hs sin But God knew about it and He knew that many of the land knew. He could not allow David, the king set a bad example for the land. So, God sent His prophet to wake the king up to his failings and as the Bible shows David repented and you can read about this in Psalms 51. 1Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.

2Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.

3For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.

4Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.

5Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

6Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

7Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

8Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.

9Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities. Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

David, David the king, goes on to say: Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

12Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

13Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
David did you get the part in the last part he would teach the transgressors Gods way. and help the sinners to be converted. That is what God is all about, loving us an helping us to live lives beneficial to our selves and those around us.
David, you know you are a creation of God. And since God is the king of the universe you are a prince of His kingdom. All you need do is come and claim your inheritance. Christ has paid the price for your travel. He has led the way. He has made sure that you can come. He died to do it. Please email me at geraldrtmcdge@aol.com. I'll be praying for you. Gerald.

Kim: I haven't forgotten you or your endearing posting. I need to get ready for church today and I'm you don't mind I'd love to post something for you later. God bless and keep you, God make His face to shine upon you and give you peace forever. Yours in Christ Gerald.

Gerald, your platitudes avail you not. No matter how good you think you live your life, how much you pray, how much good deeds you do or how much you believe in the Lord, YOU ARE GOING TO HELL if you persist upon wearing mixed fabrics! The bible is unequivocal in this. Deuteronomy 22:11 & Leviticus 19:19 clearly say so. So unless for starters you are willing to abandon your sinful lifestyle of wearing cotton/polyester blend underwear, I'm afraid you're a goner TO HELL.

Hey David, How's it going. Well, either your getting senile, or you have run out of argument material. In either case, I'd like to invite you to email me at geraldrtmcdge@aol.com. And, I'd like to invite you to church.

Wow, sanctimonious sinner Gerald, you have the nerve to invite me to go to church with you? What if some of your ungodly mixed fibers should attach to my single-fabric clothes just from sitting next to you? NO, I shall not partake company of sinners like you.

I just created a petition: Gov. Bob McDonnell of Virginia: Don't deny the the right of gay parents to adopt. , because I care deeply about this very important issue.

I'm trying to collect 100 signatures, and I could really use your help.

To read more about what I'm trying to do and to sign my petition, click here:
http://www.change.org/petitions/gov-bob-mcdonnell-of-virginia-don-t-deny-the-the-right-of-gay-parents-to-adopt?share_id=eOvnWcoOql&pe=pce

It'll just take a minute!

Once you're done, please ask your friends to sign the petition as well. Grassroots movements succeed because people like you are willing to spread the word!

Niki

Carol Lewis there are more times than we'd like that we have to let our children know that something they are doing, a path that they are taking, a way of life that they may be living, that is going to be harmful to them, either now and later on for eternity. Which decent parent would not tell their child that lying, stealing, killing, or any other sin is wrong, and that they must change. They must stop from what they are doing. Yet, these are sins just like adultery. And, the penalty for a homosexual life style in the old testament was the same as that of adultery.

They were stoned to death unless they confessed their sins. There are studies produced giving credence to either one of the beliefs of why a person is a homosexual. But, I maintain that our belief should be what God has made clear in His word. God does not want us to feel comfortable in our sins, He wants us to feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit so that later we can feel the love that we feel when we go to Christ and find forgiveness and freedom from sin, Which ever sin may plague us. Our responsibility as parents is not to make our children feel good when they are experimenting with a spiritual threat, our responsibility is to let them know what God says about how they are living and point them to Christ as their Savior. If we don't we are missing the mark and may even see our children lost as well as we ourselves.

Carol Lewis: My postings are not done to cause pain. They are written to try and counteract the lies and subtleties that satan is trying to pass as truth and love. It's not love if you don't tell your child that they are wrong. It's not love when a parent encourages their child to continue living in sin. It's one thing to love and encourage a child to continue to struggle against a habit that would drag them down and give them into satan's hands. And it's another thing to tell your child that all their doing is alright. God does not play with sin. He saw how it separated Adam and Eve from Him. He saw how it dragged the earth through upheaval and devastation. He saw even before it happened. And He saw how it would cost His very own Son His life. Sin could not just be ignored. It had to be dealt with and dealt with by the Blood of God. So Carol. I mean this with love I can possible express. If we sin, the penalty is death unless we go to Christ and allow Him to cover us with His righteousness. But once done we must forsake our sins and cling to Christ as the Author and Finisher of our faith.

Niki Walters: No, I haven't watched it. Tell me about it. But, before you do, let me share what I have experienced. I saw in the Bible how Christ came to reveal the love of His Father. I saw how Christ showed that even though we are sinners Christ died for us. Yes I believe for us, each and every one of us. I saw how that even for His own son, God could not forget or ignore sin. When Christ said in the garden, Father if it be possible let this cup pass, But never the less not My but your will be done.
Sin is so contagious, so anti life that it has to be eradicated from our thoughts, our lives. If we should hold onto, if we should cherish any sin in our lives, when Christ comes through the clouds, whether we're dead or alive, we will be identified as sin and we will eventually be eradicated as sin. Christ told the woman caught in adultery and dragged before Him," Neither do I condemn you, Go and sin no more. We don't have to sin. Christ came also to show us that He has the power to release us from our sins. We can do all things through Christ who strengthens us.

Carol Lewis: Please tell me just what I have said that is offensive. As far as I know I have only pointed that sin, any sin is offensive to God, who sent His Son to show us that we don't need to live in sin. He can free us. He can save us from our sins. I have not told anyone that they can not be saved. I only want to let all people know that we can not believe the worlds lies, and therefor satans lies that homosexuality is not a sin. Satan is pushing this false belief as much as he can. And he is trying to make God seem like an unjust and vengeful God. Don't you think that if sin, any kind of sin could be explained away that God wouldn't have needed to send His Son to die on the cross. The cross show just how offensive sin is to God. It shows what it would take to free us from our sins. But we can not just say oh well that's just how I am. Forget about the argument as to whether some are born homosexuals or gay or not. God says whether we are thieves or murderers, adulterers, or cheats, born like that or made later like that. We all are sinners in need of a saving God. He will not allow sin to enter heaven again. That's His promise to us. There will be no more sorrow, suffering, No more sin, But we must be willing to want to free from our sins so that He can free us. And He Will.

Niki Walters, yes I have children. Two of them. I also have several nieces and nephews. And, one of them, is in a sinful lifestyle. I love her as if she were my own. And, as if she were my own I approached her about her lifestyle and although she felt remorse for it, and seemed to have wanted to change, instead she became engulfed in it. How it will end, God only knows. But I do know that if there is any one, any one that is practicing any kind of sin, including that of a homosexual life. God does set us free from our sins, through Jesus Christ our Lord. I'm not speaking about a fairytale, I'm talking about the One, True God. If you look around you would be able to see an untold number of used to be sinners, that have taken Christ at His word and have literally found release from their sins and redemption for for their lives. Even and including once gay homosexual individuals. That is another thing that satan is lying about. satan would have us to believe that the adulterer, the murderer, the Cleptomaniacs we're all what ever, but as the song goes, " Would you be free from your burden of sin, there's power in the blood, power in the blood. Would you or evil and victory win, there's wonderful power in the blood.
You see, there's room at the cross at the cross for everyone. Those who were haters to those who were mass murderers. And Christ has a place in heaven for all who give their lives to Him. And we intrust our lives to Him, He won't give us up, and satan can't take us.

Niki Walters thanks for returning with your info. Niki, I'm not condoning in any form the thinking that someone should be rejected or pushed away for any reason. I don't think you've seen any where in my postings where I've belittled or commented anyone. I've merely stated that sinners any sinners, including an individual that is having a sexual relationship with someone of the same sex, can find freedom from their sin through Christ. We are to love anyone that God brings into our sphere of influence. We are to treat them as we would have them treat us were they to find out our hidden sins. And, by God's grace we should point them to the only one that has the power to recreate our lives. Niki, are you a Christian? Do you want believe that God has the power to redeem us? All we need do is go to Him. He will understand our hesitancy. He will understand our unbelief. All He asks is that we give Him the permission to effect His life giving salvation in our lives and then He will help us to live lives that will reflect His character. Sinners have left off using alcohol, drugs and they have left off killing, stealing and whatever. I've known those who were practicing homosexuals and who are now living lives for Christ.

Gerald: Goodbye from me, no more postings. Not because you've won me over but because you don't get it. You use your religion to cloak your prejudice. I reject your fundamental premise, that homosexuality is a sin, so there's no ground for discussion. You could have shown your niece compassion AND acceptance but you didn't. Your god is too small.

Leviticus 18:22
22 "`Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."
Leviticus 20:13. "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1:25-27
25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-- who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Carol Lewis these Texts are from the Bible. Now, there are many things that we hold as truth from the Bible. Even if it speaks of it a few times. But, the Bible speaks of homosexuality, that of man with men and woman with woman as being detestable, to God. It's an abomination. Put into the same detestable category as that of people with animals. Many realize this as sexual perversion. I'm not saying that the persons involved in these acts as being detestable, they are God's children, we are God's children. We have all sinned. But, we must recognize that we are sinners and accept what God says is sin. He tells us of our sins because they separtate us from Him and we need Him. And you as a parent must accept what God says and love your child to God. If you reject Gods word about what He has made clear then you are rejecting God. And just as Adam and Eve were expelled from the Gardin when they listened to satan in the garden.so we, if we listen to satan, instead of what God has made plain, we are indanger of not receiving eternal life.

And Carol, I did show compassion and acceptance to my niece. And we are friends. I chose to show real love to her by letting her know what God's word says. Telling someone that their house is on fire is an act of love. It is trying to pull them to safety. Encouraging them to remain in their house, that is allowing them to be lost.
Carol we need to understand that even though God is Love to the Nth degree, He is also just. His Son died to show us just how much God loved us. But at the same time His death also shows us, just how much God hates sin. He hates it because of what it does to us. He hates it because it separates us from Him. It doesn't allow Him the opportunity to accept us, because as Adam and Eve ran and hid from God in the Garden, not trusting in Him so now sin keeps us from trusting Him. In His power to recreate, and save. You have part of it right. You love you child and you don't reject him, now point him to the One that loves your son more. The One that has the power to give new life. Real life. Both now and for eternity. Why would you lose your son, and possibly your self.

The only scripture that matters is John 13:34 Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

I have friends that are homosexual and have adopted two boys and one girl. They are some of the best well adjusted and down to earth kids you will meet. They couldn't be happier with their parents. Stop thinking about hate and do what the bible actually tells you, which is to love one another.

John Arbuckle that text you mentioned is one of the many texts that God has given us. But none of them can be ignored. We must love, but God says that part of that love is letting those that don't know they are in sin, that they are in sin. A child seeing a parent living in sin, causes that child to accept that sin as normal and ok. And that child grows up permitting and even participating in that sin. Children grow up with many of the same habits their parents have. Child abuse, smoking and drinking are all learned behaviors. Homosexuality is another. God is more than just love. He will loving reject the entrance of any sinner refusing to allow Him to cleanse that sinner from their sins. God promised that sin will not arise a second time. He promised that there will be no more suffering, tears or pain in heaven. If God were to allow any sinner still with sin then the whole mess would only begin again. God loves the sinner but hates the sin.

Gerald, the only one that hates is you. Leave God out of it.

John Arbuckle Now, you know that you haven't met me. You haven't known me long enough to make such a judgement call. Please tell me, which one of my posts sound hateful as the one that you have stated. I'm giving a wake up call. Look what God says in Ezekiel 3: 17Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.

18When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

19Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

20Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

21Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

John God is love. God cares for us more than we care for ourselves. He said that John 3:16. He said that He wants to given eternal life to all those that come to Him. But, He can not save us if we are holding on to our sins. And, if you believe in God, you must believe in the fact that we are sinners in need of a Savior. God saves from sin and it's penalty. And the Bible says that the penalty for sin is death.

Sure Gerald, I'll be happy to give you an example. By your view homosexuality is a sin, and as you read your bible you view that the penalty for sin is death. Thus you must believe that homosexuals should die for their sin. That sir is hate.

As Carol Lewis has done prior to myself, I will no longer give your hate filled words my time or attention. Instead I will pray that you will stop hating your fellow man.

Gerald, WHY would ANYONE listen to an unrepentant sinner like you! You wear cotton/polyester blend underwear in clear violation of Deuteronomy 22:11 & Leviticus 19:19! Furthermore, you are obstinately in violation of Deuteronomy 14: 7 - 10! How dare you so publicly flaunt your violations of Deuteronomy 14 : 7 - 10 eating crabs, shrimp, oyster, clams, rabbit & pork! Even at restaurants! I bet you even allow your wife & daughters to remain inside the house during their period in clear violation of Leviticus 15:19-30 & 20:18, Ezekiel 18:5-6! They are unclean! Send them to the shed until their period passes. Until such time as YOU turn your life around & give up these sins, NO ONE ought listen to anything you say, you disgusting, despicable sinner who shall roast in the fiery pits of hell for all eternity! We tell you this in the spirit of Jesus' everlasting love, because we love you but hate your sinful "lifestyle".

John Arbuckle answer me this what do you do with the texts that actually say that homosexuality is a detestable act and the Bible calls the act of a man laying with another man as though that man were a woman, that this was an abomination. It refers this act in the same detail as that when a person dehumanizes their self by having intercourse with an animal. Now some are saying that homosexuality can not be helped and that it's ok. But would you say the same thing as the person that feels that it is ok to bed an animal. I'm not singling out any other sin or sinner. I've maintained that any sinner with any sin, is in danger of an actual eternal death with out having given their lives to the real Savior. I've maintained that God wishes for no one to be lost and therefore to die eternally, and that He has made provision for our eternal salvation by sending Christ to die for our sins that we could live through His death. The only ones that will be lost are those who refuse to do as God encourages, and that is to confess their sins and turn from them. Of course you can not confess something if you don't feel that it is a sin, that is why God's word is the best measure of what is sin, and not what we feel or what someone may tell us, no matter how trusted or knowledgeable is. If one refuses to accept God's word than they reject God and His eternal life that He offers. Mind you all we need to do is accept what God's word says, both what is sin and what He offers the sinner for life

David even if what you are saying and I am the sinner to beat all sinners, the Bible still confides that homosexuality, bestiality, adultery, lying, stealing, or any other sin,is a sin. And the only way for us to evade the penalty of death is by accepting Christs death for our sins. And allow Him to cleanse us and recreate us.

I'm afraid David that the penalty that you are talking about, is a slap on the wrist compared to the fate that awaits all those who chose to ignore God's offer of forgiveness. It's the loss of eternal life. The loss of life in this world when we go to the grave, right now means only a sleep. A sleep the ends at the end of time for this earth when our soon returning King breaks through the clouds and wakes up the dead with the shout of the Archangel when the dead in Christ shall rise first. But then later after the 1000 years of devastation of this earth when Christ awakens all those who refused His offer of forgiveness, and they finally see how they refused His death for their sins and completely blown off His offer of eternal life. Only to be tossed into the lake of fire, for a time and finally to be erased from existence for all eternity.
No, the first death before Christ comes back is nothing compared to the one that awaits those who awakens after the 1000 years. But it's still not too late for us today. All we have to do is accept Christ's death in place of ours. Ask Him today and invite anyone else that would go to Him.